that ate up a good decade, not to mention adding to the defic deficit. then we had a gargantuan recession and fiscal crisis. so we now are maybe getting a little bit back to normal, people are looking at this structure and the legacy of the last two decades, which is enormous deficits and saying okay, what do we do about this going forward? and that's were i think we get the potential for change. >> ron williams on the iowa has a question. >> the question is really based on -- what you learn business is once an organization is created, once it lives it wants to grow. and that organizations also have a way of becoming their own customer. ending this is it just doesn't work because there's no revenue in being your own customer. so the question really is a sidestep question which is, what happens if we can develop ways to sunset organizations, regulations that would require a review of the original problem which is often a very legitimate problem, doesn't still exist, does it require the same solution. the second question or comment is around risk, and i'm